If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
that the pilot sounds obviously drunk, what can be done? In a car,
the cops can pull him over, but what do you do when a drunken pilot is
taxiing out for take-off? What do you do if he's already in the air?
And how does handling the situation differ between private pilots and
pilots transporting passengers for hire (such as airline pilots).

I know the FAA has occasionally pulled airline pilots off a plane when
they are drunk (apparently they have to wait until the pilot does
something that clearly demonstrates his intention to fly), but I
presume that someone or something tips them off in advance. What if
they don't find out about it in advance?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice

PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
experiences.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allen

Hey Allen - Don't waste your breath here. I can think of at least 2
people who "feel sorry" for him and will answer the troll call.

I have found the best procedure is to not even answer to any of the
threads he initiates nor directly respond to any of his posts.

It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?

Jon

A Lieberma wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>
>
> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>
> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
> experiences.
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Allen

Jon Kraus wrote:
> Hey Allen - Don't waste your breath here. I can think of at least 2
> people who "feel sorry" for him and will answer the troll call.
>
> I have found the best procedure is to not even answer to any of the
> threads he initiates nor directly respond to any of his posts.
>
> It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?
>
> Jon
>
> A Lieberma wrote:
> > Mxsmanic > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >
> >>If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
> >
> >
> > PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
> >
> > This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
> > experiences.
> >
> > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Allen

CAVU here in Montana too. I just might stay sober and go flying today.
:>)

--Walt

Funny.... I thought it was always CAVU in Big Sky country... :-) I love
it out there..

Jon


>
>
> CAVU here in Montana too. I just might stay sober and go flying today.
> :>)
>
> --Walt
>

Does anyone know of a good place to eat in Dothan, AL near the a/p?
Any BBQ maybe?

Jon Kraus > wrote in :

> It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?

CAVU except for cirrus clouds I will never top.

I am looking for some benign IMC time so I can maintain my IFR currency, can you send me some?

Heck, even flew 3 XC's this week, flew high and mighty and not even a volkswagan size cloud to be found. Not that this would keep my IFR current, but any IMC time is better then none :-)

Got to experience high performance numbers in my Slowdowner :-)

Check out

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1943L/history/20061207/1706Z/KMBO/KHBG/tracklog

Allen

Y'know, that used to be true, but three weeks ago I bought a brand new
12" dobsonian telescope and it's been cloudy around here ever since.
Darn thing's been sitting here in my office while I wait for the
weather to clear up.

Tonight may be the night. :>)

--Walt

Jon Kraus wrote:
> Funny.... I thought it was always CAVU in Big Sky country... :-) I love
> it out there..
>
> Jon
>
>
> >
> >
> > CAVU here in Montana too. I just might stay sober and go flying today.
> > :>)
> >
> > --Walt
> >

Jon Kraus wrote:

> Funny.... I thought it was always CAVU in Big Sky country... :-) I love
> it out there..

The western part of the state is a lot like the midwest in terms of the
sky. Lots of overcast and dreary days. Places like Missoula and Kalispell.

Newps wrote:
> Jon Kraus wrote:
>
> > Funny.... I thought it was always CAVU in Big Sky country... :-) I love
> > it out there..
>
> The western part of the state is a lot like the midwest in terms of the
> sky. Lots of overcast and dreary days. Places like Missoula and Kalispell.

Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
dreary place. :>)

Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
course.

--Walt

In article >,
Jon Kraus > wrote:
>
>It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?
>

Wife and I flew a Cub from Kokomo to Noblesville yesterday with a
stiff South wind. Made 37 knots ground speed down, 92 back. Woulda
been faster to drive, but not nearly as fun.

--
Scott Post

And eastern Colorado is fantastic -- until late this evening.
Temps are expected to be in the 60s out here on the plains. And
Official Winter is only 11 days away.

Of course this time last year, we were below 0F.

Global warming, El Nino, whatever.

"Walt" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Y'know, that used to be true, but three weeks ago I bought a brand new
> 12" dobsonian telescope and it's been cloudy around here ever since.
> Darn thing's been sitting here in my office while I wait for the
> weather to clear up.
>
> Tonight may be the night. :>)
>
> --Walt
>
>> > CAVU here in Montana too. I just might stay sober and go flying today.
>> > :>)
>> >
>> > --Walt
>> >
>

Where in Montana are you? I grew up in Great Falls, and went to college in
Bozeman. I live in Seattle now.

I have a 10" Mead LX200GPS "Cloud Magnet." Sitting here in Seattle waiting
for clouds to go away as it is "M42 Season" and M31 is straight over head.
:-) Hoping to get a better picture of the Horsehead this year.

Walt wrote:


> Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
> dreary place. :>)

Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.



>
> Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
> I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
> you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
> course.

They are non FAA and not too sharp.

Wade Hasbrouck wrote:
> "Walt" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > Y'know, that used to be true, but three weeks ago I bought a brand new
> > 12" dobsonian telescope and it's been cloudy around here ever since.
> > Darn thing's been sitting here in my office while I wait for the
> > weather to clear up.
> >
> > Tonight may be the night. :>)
> >
> > --Walt
> >
> >> > CAVU here in Montana too. I just might stay sober and go flying today.
> >> > :>)
> >> >
> >> > --Walt
> >> >
> >
>
> Where in Montana are you? I grew up in Great Falls, and went to college in
> Bozeman. I live in Seattle now.
>
> I have a 10" Mead LX200GPS "Cloud Magnet." Sitting here in Seattle waiting
> for clouds to go away as it is "M42 Season" and M31 is straight over head.
> :-) Hoping to get a better picture of the Horsehead this year.

We live a few miles south of Bozeman. Dark skies, great viewing.

That is, until I bought this darn telescope. :>)

--Walt

Newps wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
>
> > Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
> > dreary place. :>)
>
> Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.
>
>
>
> >
> > Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
> > I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
> > you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
> > course.
>
> They are non FAA and not too sharp.

Gallatin Field is a contract tower too. Had kind of a rocky start but
they're doing okay now. The times I've flown into KMSO I didn't have
any problems. Of course, it's not real busy there either.

--Walt

"Wade Hasbrouck" > wrote in message
...

>
> I have a 10" Mead LX200GPS "Cloud Magnet." Sitting here in Seattle
> waiting for clouds to go away as it is "M42 Season" and M31 is straight
> over head. :-) Hoping to get a better picture of the Horsehead this year.

With a 10" telescope? I do most of my nebula photos with a 300mm lens on my
Canon -- although I do have it strapped to my C-8 Celestron and use that
with the equatorial drive to chase a guide star.

I have been contemplating buying another 'scope so when your cloud magnet
gets too dusty over in the corner <<G>>, send it down here to the Mojave
Desert. Our nominal cloud cover around here is "clear and a million" for at
least 300 days a year.

I've made six trips to Whidby(?sp) Island and I can unequivocally report
that the sun never shines in that part of Washington.

"Blanche" > wrote in message
...
> And eastern Colorado is fantastic -- until late this evening.
> Temps are expected to be in the 60s out here on the plains. And
> Official Winter is only 11 days away.
>
> Of course this time last year, we were below 0F.
>
> Global warming, El Nino, whatever.

Blanche, I've been meaning to ask what publications you write for.

Scott,

Are you based @ OKK? I am up there all the time in the Mooney. Yea,
yesterday was a little windy but today seems even more so... I might
take a stroll out to the airport (UMP) after the football game and bore
some holes..

Jon

Scott Post wrote:

> In article >,
> Jon Kraus > wrote:
>
>>It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?
>>
>
>
> Wife and I flew a Cub from Kokomo to Noblesville yesterday with a
> stiff South wind. Made 37 knots ground speed down, 92 back. Woulda
> been faster to drive, but not nearly as fun.
>

Scott Post wrote:
> In article >,
> Jon Kraus > wrote:
> >
> >It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?
> >
>
> Wife and I flew a Cub from Kokomo to Noblesville yesterday with a
> stiff South wind. Made 37 knots ground speed down, 92 back. Woulda
> been faster to drive, but not nearly as fun.
>
> --
> Scott Post

You live in Kokomo? In the '70's I flew KC135's out of Grissom AFB. We
lived in Cassville, about halfway between Kokomo and Grissom.

My dad worked on the Pennsylvania/Penn Central, freight trains, his
standard route was between Columbus, OH and Logansport. Used to ride
with him on his trips. I still have early memories of sitting on a bar,
six years old, in Bunker Hill. When I was stationed at Grissom the same
bar became my major hangout.

Ah, memories... :>)

--Walt

"N2310D" > wrote in message
news:Q1Yeh.716$IO5.347@trnddc01...
>
> "Wade Hasbrouck" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> I have a 10" Mead LX200GPS "Cloud Magnet." Sitting here in Seattle
>> waiting for clouds to go away as it is "M42 Season" and M31 is straight
>> over head. :-) Hoping to get a better picture of the Horsehead this
>> year.
>
> With a 10" telescope? I do most of my nebula photos with a 300mm lens on
> my Canon -- although I do have it strapped to my C-8 Celestron and use
> that with the equatorial drive to chase a guide star.
>
> I have been contemplating buying another 'scope so when your cloud magnet
> gets too dusty over in the corner <<G>>, send it down here to the Mojave
> Desert. Our nominal cloud cover around here is "clear and a million" for
> at least 300 days a year.
>
> I've made six trips to Whidby(?sp) Island and I can unequivocally report
> that the sun never shines in that part of Washington.
>

The astronomical society that I belong to (Eastside Astronomical Society -
www.eastsideastro.org) took over the Deception Pass Star Party this year,
and we had pretty good weather in August for it. Deception Pass is at the
north end of Whidbey, but the only problem with Deception Pass is that it is
really really really "wet" and Dew Heaters are a requirement if you want to
observe for more than 5 minutes. :-) Summers are typically pretty good
weather, but we won't admit it. :-) Eastern Washington is much better, and
much much drier.

I have done quite a bit of Piggyback astrophotography, and have that down
pretty well... I have always been working on my prime focus stuff. I have a
wedge for my LX200. I recently got the 80mm Orion Apochromatic, to mount on
the LX200 to use a guide scope, and have been manually guiding, but may move
to autoguiding. I shoot slide film, while my flight instructor is a digital
guy and uses a Canon 10D. He harasses me about "How did your pictures turn
out last night???? Oh!!! that is right you use film... :-)" but then I
tell him, "At least I don't need a portable nuclear power reactor to power
my equipment. :-)" I will probably also start doing some prime focus stuff
with the Orion scope and guiding with the 10".

My flight instructor and I go to Table Mountain every year (www.tmspa.com).
It has some pretty good dark skies, but the "Ellensburg Nebula" and
"Wenatchee Nebula" seem to get a little bigger every year.

If you are curious, if have some photos at
www.doodlespace.com/astro/gallery.htm , but I haven't posted anything from
this year yet as I have been too busy between work and getting my PPL. :-)
My instructor has some pictures at his site,
www.eastsideastro.org/observatory

If you haven't seem it
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html has a
different picture every day.

I have a nearly 100% ACCURATE METHOD OF FORECASTING THE
CLOUD COVER, that works like this. when they have a meteor
shower or storm, an eclipse, or any other event it will be
overcast in central Kansas.



"Wade Hasbrouck" > wrote in
message
...
|
| "N2310D" > wrote in message
| news:Q1Yeh.716$IO5.347@trnddc01...
| >
| > "Wade Hasbrouck" > wrote
in message
| >
...
| >
| >>
| >> I have a 10" Mead LX200GPS "Cloud Magnet." Sitting
here in Seattle
| >> waiting for clouds to go away as it is "M42 Season" and
M31 is straight
| >> over head. :-) Hoping to get a better picture of the
Horsehead this
| >> year.
| >
| > With a 10" telescope? I do most of my nebula photos with
a 300mm lens on
| > my Canon -- although I do have it strapped to my C-8
Celestron and use
| > that with the equatorial drive to chase a guide star.
| >
| > I have been contemplating buying another 'scope so when
your cloud magnet
| > gets too dusty over in the corner <<G>>, send it down
here to the Mojave
| > Desert. Our nominal cloud cover around here is "clear
and a million" for
| > at least 300 days a year.
| >
| > I've made six trips to Whidby(?sp) Island and I can
unequivocally report
| > that the sun never shines in that part of Washington.
| >
|
| The astronomical society that I belong to (Eastside
Astronomical Society -
| www.eastsideastro.org) took over the Deception Pass Star
Party this year,
| and we had pretty good weather in August for it.
Deception Pass is at the
| north end of Whidbey, but the only problem with Deception
Pass is that it is
| really really really "wet" and Dew Heaters are a
requirement if you want to
| observe for more than 5 minutes. :-) Summers are
typically pretty good
| weather, but we won't admit it. :-) Eastern Washington
is much better, and
| much much drier.
|
| I have done quite a bit of Piggyback astrophotography, and
have that down
| pretty well... I have always been working on my prime
focus stuff. I have a
| wedge for my LX200. I recently got the 80mm Orion
Apochromatic, to mount on
| the LX200 to use a guide scope, and have been manually
guiding, but may move
| to autoguiding. I shoot slide film, while my flight
instructor is a digital
| guy and uses a Canon 10D. He harasses me about "How did
your pictures turn
| out last night???? Oh!!! that is right you use film...
:-)" but then I
| tell him, "At least I don't need a portable nuclear power
reactor to power
| my equipment. :-)" I will probably also start doing some
prime focus stuff
| with the Orion scope and guiding with the 10".
|
| My flight instructor and I go to Table Mountain every year
(www.tmspa.com).
| It has some pretty good dark skies, but the "Ellensburg
Nebula" and
| "Wenatchee Nebula" seem to get a little bigger every year.
|
| If you are curious, if have some photos at
| www.doodlespace.com/astro/gallery.htm , but I haven't
posted anything from
| this year yet as I have been too busy between work and
getting my PPL. :-)
| My instructor has some pictures at his site,
| www.eastsideastro.org/observatory
|

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
:

> If you haven't seem it
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html has a
> different picture every day.
>
> I have a nearly 100% ACCURATE METHOD OF FORECASTING THE
> CLOUD COVER, that works like this. when they have a meteor
> shower or storm, an eclipse, or any other event it will be
> overcast in central Kansas.

Ahhh, come on :-)

You got the tools to get above the cloud deck.

Can't say what a telescope will do for aerodynamics, or tracking a
particular astronomical object in the sky, but at least you will have a
veiw.

Allen

In article >,
Jon Kraus > wrote:
>Scott,
>
>Are you based @ OKK? I am up there all the time in the Mooney. Yea,
>yesterday was a little windy but today seems even more so... I might
>take a stroll out to the airport (UMP) after the football game and bore
>some holes..

8I3, a little private grass strip just southwest of OKK. I've been
using OKK a lot lately to get crosswind proficient in tailwheel planes.

--
Scott Post

In article m>,
Walt > wrote:
>
>Scott Post wrote:
>>
>> Wife and I flew a Cub from Kokomo to Noblesville yesterday with a
>> stiff South wind. Made 37 knots ground speed down, 92 back. Woulda
>> been faster to drive, but not nearly as fun.
>>
>
>You live in Kokomo? In the '70's I flew KC135's out of Grissom AFB. We
>lived in Cassville, about halfway between Kokomo and Grissom.
>

My wife's parents will be coming to visit after xmas. I'm hoping the
weather cooperates and I can take my father-in-law for a spin in the Cub
or Champ. He'll get a kick out of overflying Grissom if they have the
tankers out on the ramp.

--
Scott Post

Greg Farris wrote:
> In article m>,
> says...
> >
> >
> >Y'know, that used to be true, but three weeks ago I bought a brand new
> >12" dobsonian telescope and it's been cloudy around here ever since.
> >Darn thing's been sitting here in my office while I wait for the
> >weather to clear up.
> >
> >Tonight may be the night. :>)
> >
> Your office must be mighty fine if you have room for a 12" dobsonian to sit
> around without getting in anyone's way!

Heh. The good thing about Dobs is, their footprint is pretty small.
Takes up about two square feet of space. Makes getting to my bookcase
kind of hard, but I'll live with it. :>)

My "office" is really pretty small, but I have room for the important
things in life. A good oak desk, a great telescope, and a small
refrigerator full of beer. And, a bunch of really cool glider pictures
on the wall.

We live in a 1500 square foot house, but it's set up the way we want
it. Life is good here in the Bozone, my friend.

--Walt

I prefer the solid ground for night sky viewing. I've got a
place with no nearby light pollution, millions more stars
are visible. One clear night a few years ago, there was
snow cover but no clouds at all, I was out driving by the
airport and wondered why they had the strobes running, then
I realized it was a meteor storm, the flashes were so bright
they were casting shadows on the snow and leaving smoke
trails in the sky.
It was late at night, so I stayed out several hours
watching. I made just one mistake, I told my wife about it.
She was tired and had to get up to go to her college class.
I thought she would not want to be disturbed. I told her
and she has never forgiven me.



"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
8...
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in
| :
|
| > If you haven't seem it
| > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html has a
| > different picture every day.
| >
| > I have a nearly 100% ACCURATE METHOD OF FORECASTING THE
| > CLOUD COVER, that works like this. when they have a
meteor
| > shower or storm, an eclipse, or any other event it will
be
| > overcast in central Kansas.
|
| Ahhh, come on :-)
|
| You got the tools to get above the cloud deck.
|
| Can't say what a telescope will do for aerodynamics, or
tracking a
| particular astronomical object in the sky, but at least
you will have a
| veiw.
|
| Allen

In article <43Yeh.717$IO5.584@trnddc01>, N2310D > wrote:
>
>"Blanche" > wrote in message
>> And eastern Colorado is fantastic -- until late this evening.
>> Temps are expected to be in the 60s out here on the plains. And
>> Official Winter is only 11 days away.
>>
>> Of course this time last year, we were below 0F.
>>
>> Global warming, El Nino, whatever.
>
>Blanche, I've been meaning to ask what publications you write for.

Me? I'm an out-of-work computer geek. And no, I don't do windows.
Well, that's not true. I just had all the windows on the first floor of
the house replaced. Second floor and the patio door are next year.

My publications are in the academic & government arena. Look
wonderful on a CV but that's about it.

"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
. 18...
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
>> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>
> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>
> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
> experiences.
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Allen

Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter pilot's
golden rule on drinking and flying.
"NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to the
runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
:-)))))))
Dudley Henriques

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in
:

> I prefer the solid ground for night sky viewing.

Fully understand this!

> I've got a
> place with no nearby light pollution, millions more stars
> are visible. One clear night a few years ago, there was
> snow cover but no clouds at all, I was out driving by the
> airport and wondered why they had the strobes running, then
> I realized it was a meteor storm, the flashes were so bright
> they were casting shadows on the snow and leaving smoke
> trails in the sky.

Let me guess, the Leonids? One night flight home, saw a "fireball".
Scared the bejeebers outta me it was so bright. And like you saw, smoke
trail followed it. At first, thought it was a plane blowing up, but
having seen meteors before, I knew better just from the speed, length and
angle of the flash. More lights upstairs then downstairs on most of my
night flights :-))

> It was late at night, so I stayed out several hours
> watching. I made just one mistake, I told my wife about it.
> She was tired and had to get up to go to her college class.
> I thought she would not want to be disturbed. I told her
> and she has never forgiven me.

Yep, though different situation here, it was the Northern lights. Woke
my wife up at 2 a.m. and it was -15F, but she didn't regret it! Would
love to see that from 5000 feet!

I was kinda hoping the sunspot causing the radiation commotion would have
kept up so it would kick up some northern lights, but that simmered down.
Wouuldn't have been good for the GPS network though I'd suspect?

Allen

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
> . 18...
> > Mxsmanic > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
> >
> > PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
> >
> > This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
> > experiences.
> >
> > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Allen
>
> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter pilot's
> golden rule on drinking and flying.
> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to the
> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
> :-)))))))
> Dudley Henriques

And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
the aircraft."

That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.

--Walt

Scott Post wrote:
> In article m>,
> Walt > wrote:
> >
> >Scott Post wrote:
> >>
> >> Wife and I flew a Cub from Kokomo to Noblesville yesterday with a
> >> stiff South wind. Made 37 knots ground speed down, 92 back. Woulda
> >> been faster to drive, but not nearly as fun.
> >>
> >
> >You live in Kokomo? In the '70's I flew KC135's out of Grissom AFB. We
> >lived in Cassville, about halfway between Kokomo and Grissom.
> >
>
> My wife's parents will be coming to visit after xmas. I'm hoping the
> weather cooperates and I can take my father-in-law for a spin in the Cub
> or Champ. He'll get a kick out of overflying Grissom if they have the
> tankers out on the ramp.
>
> --
> Scott Post

Cool. Have fun. I didn't realize there were still 135's there. When I
left the National Guard was flying A-37's and they were talking about
shutting down the base. But, I've been out of the loop for the last 30
years or so. :>)

--Walt

Hi Walt;

It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi guys!!
:-))))
Dudley

"Walt" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
>> . 18...
>> > Mxsmanic > wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> >> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>> >
>> > PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>> >
>> > This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
>> > experiences.
>> >
>> > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Allen
>>
>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>> pilot's
>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>> the
>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>> :-)))))))
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
> smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
> the aircraft."
>
> That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
>
> --Walt
>

DAMN--that all sounds SO familiar!!! :-))))))))

Walt, are you SURE you never flew helicopter gunships in Vietnam??? Sounds
like one of our old rules. :-)))))

Paul


"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Walt;
>
> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi
> guys!!
> :-))))
> Dudley
>
> "Walt" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
>>> . 18...
>>> > Mxsmanic > wrote in
>>> > :
>>> >
>>> >> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>>> >
>>> > PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>>> >
>>> > This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
>>> > experiences.
>>> >
>>> > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >
>>> > Allen
>>>
>>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>>> pilot's
>>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>>> the
>>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>>> :-)))))))
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
>> smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
>> the aircraft."
>>
>> That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
>>
>> --Walt
>>
>
>

"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
. 18...
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in
> :
>
>> I prefer the solid ground for night sky viewing.
>
> Fully understand this!
>
>> I've got a
>> place with no nearby light pollution, millions more stars
>> are visible. One clear night a few years ago, there was
>> snow cover but no clouds at all, I was out driving by the
>> airport and wondered why they had the strobes running, then
>> I realized it was a meteor storm, the flashes were so bright
>> they were casting shadows on the snow and leaving smoke
>> trails in the sky.
>
> Let me guess, the Leonids? One night flight home, saw a "fireball".
> Scared the bejeebers outta me it was so bright. And like you saw, smoke
> trail followed it. At first, thought it was a plane blowing up, but
> having seen meteors before, I knew better just from the speed, length and
> angle of the flash. More lights upstairs then downstairs on most of my
> night flights :-))
<...>

I saw what must have been a good sized chunk of space junk once - It was
quite a show - went nearly from horizon to horizon as it broke up into
smaller bits...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

Good to hear, Dudley. It's good to know that when you guys were behind
us, hooked up, that we were not just passing on fuel but some of our
core values too.

:>)

--Walt


Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Hi Walt;
>
> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi guys!!
> :-))))
> Dudley
>
> "Walt" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Dudley Henriques wrote:
> >> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
> >> . 18...
> >> > Mxsmanic > wrote in
> >> > :
> >> >
> >> >> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
> >> >
> >> > PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
> >> >
> >> > This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
> >> > experiences.
> >> >
> >> > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > Allen
> >>
> >> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
> >> pilot's
> >> golden rule on drinking and flying.
> >> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
> >> the
> >> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
> >> :-)))))))
> >> Dudley Henriques
> >
> > And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
> > smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
> > the aircraft."
> >
> > That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
> >
> > --Walt
> >

I recall a few years ago at Davis Monthan when within a few minutes after
entering the club, there was a food fight in progress and wrestling going on
the floor. Later in the evening I offered to buy one of the pilots a shot if
he would let me drop a live mark 84 (2000 lb) bomb on the range in the
morning.

He said: "sure doc, no problem". Unfortunately, there was a staff pilot
weenie (mutually disliked by all of the pilots) who ratted me out. I have
never seen so many memos generated in such a short amount of time! I had to
promise to never drop live ordinance again. However, I did not promise to
forego firing the vulcan canon or launching missiles.

I rode in the back with the same weenie on a six ship, and he was 20 miles
into the range before I asked him whether we were cleared, as a gentle
reminder in true CRM style (which we were not, and the range was still hot).
He blustered his way in while the previous guys exited, but that became
another bar story.

Bottom line: breathing 100 percent oxygen under positive pressure really
helps a hangover.

"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
. 18...
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in
> :
>
>> I prefer the solid ground for night sky viewing.
>
> Fully understand this!
>
>> I've got a
>> place with no nearby light pollution, millions more stars
>> are visible. One clear night a few years ago, there was
>> snow cover but no clouds at all, I was out driving by the
>> airport and wondered why they had the strobes running, then
>> I realized it was a meteor storm, the flashes were so bright
>> they were casting shadows on the snow and leaving smoke
>> trails in the sky.
>
> Let me guess, the Leonids? One night flight home, saw a "fireball".
> Scared the bejeebers outta me it was so bright. And like you saw, smoke
> trail followed it. At first, thought it was a plane blowing up, but
> having seen meteors before, I knew better just from the speed, length and
> angle of the flash. More lights upstairs then downstairs on most of my
> night flights :-))
>
>> It was late at night, so I stayed out several hours
>> watching. I made just one mistake, I told my wife about it.
>> She was tired and had to get up to go to her college class.
>> I thought she would not want to be disturbed. I told her
>> and she has never forgiven me.
>
> Yep, though different situation here, it was the Northern lights. Woke
> my wife up at 2 a.m. and it was -15F, but she didn't regret it! Would
> love to see that from 5000 feet!
>
> I was kinda hoping the sunspot causing the radiation commotion would have
> kept up so it would kick up some northern lights, but that simmered down.
> Wouuldn't have been good for the GPS network though I'd suspect?
>
> Allen

I have seen the Space Station go over from 5500' in a Cessna 172. That
was pretty neat, it looked different than on the ground, as you had more
hozion and it seemed you see it "arc" more as it went across the sky. Saw
it when me and my instructor did our night x-country from Boeing Field to
Port Angeles, Wa, and back. Saw it on the return leg. :-) Unfortunately
the 172 doesn't have a power setting that will keep up with it. :-)

Paul Riley wrote:
> DAMN--that all sounds SO familiar!!! :-))))))))
>
> Walt, are you SURE you never flew helicopter gunships in Vietnam??? Sounds
> like one of our old rules. :-)))))
>
> Paul

Nope, fixed-wing, AC119K. But we tried desperately to be as crazy as
you guys were.

:>)

--Walt

Walt wrote:

> Newps wrote:
>
>>Walt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
>>>dreary place. :>)
>>
>>Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
>>>I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
>>>you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
>>>course.
>>
>>They are non FAA and not too sharp.
>
>
> Gallatin Field is a contract tower too.



Ameriflight, which has a base here, runs a lot of cargo and go into BZN
every day. They say, bar none, the BZN controllers are the worst. The
city fathers are installing a radar there, should be up and ready to go
next spring/summer. We hope to be working it from here at BIL.
Otherwise Salt Lake Center will get it and you guys won't notice one
iotas difference.

> It is CAVU here in Indiana today... how about Mississippi?

Bee-utiful in the Upper Midwest today. We flew to Janesville,
Wisconsin, to have lunch with Jim Burns, and hit 207 mph on the way up
-- and just 126 mph on the way back!

Windier than hell at altitude, but smooth as a baby's bottom above a
(relatively) low haze layer. It was a great day to fly!

(And NOW it's time for a coupla beers... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0800, Dudley Henriques wrote
(in article >):

> Hi Walt;
>
> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi guys!!
>> -))))
> Dudley
>
> "Walt" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
>>> . 18...
>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>>>>
>>>> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
>>>> experiences.
>>>>
>>>> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Allen
>>>
>>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>>> pilot's
>>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>>> the
>>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>>>> -)))))))
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
>> smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
>> the aircraft."
>>
>> That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
>>
>> --Walt
>>
>
>

Man, I used to hear rules like that all the time -- and I'm a Mormon!

At least no one has mentioned the deceased insect.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0800, Dudley Henriques wrote
(in article >):

> Hi Walt;
>
> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi guys!!
>> -))))
> Dudley
>
> "Walt" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
>>> . 18...
>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>>>>
>>>> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
>>>> experiences.
>>>>
>>>> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Allen
>>>
>>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>>> pilot's
>>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>>> the
>>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>>>> -)))))))
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
>> smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
>> the aircraft."
>>
>> That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
>>
>> --Walt
>>
>
>

DEAD BUG!!! _"""_o<

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:48:32 -0800, Christopher Campbell wrote
(in article >):

> On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0800, Dudley Henriques wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Hi Walt;
>>
>> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
>> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
>> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi guys!!
>>> -))))
>> Dudley
>>
>> "Walt" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>>
>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
>>>> . 18...
>>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>>>>>
>>>>> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>>>>>
>>>>> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
>>>>> experiences.
>>>>>
>>>>> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Allen
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>>>> pilot's
>>>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>>>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>>>> the
>>>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>>>>> -)))))))
>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>
>>> And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
>>> smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
>>> the aircraft."
>>>
>>> That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
>>>
>>> --Walt
>>>
>>
>>
>
> DEAD BUG!!! _"""_o<
>

or maybe _xxx-o<: :-)

It was several years ago, cold weather, snow on the ground.
There was a big fireball every few minutes, sometimes two or
three at once. Even the police, sheriff and troopers had
stopped to watch.


"A Lieberma" > wrote in message
. 18...
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in
| :
|
| > I prefer the solid ground for night sky viewing.
|
| Fully understand this!
|
| > I've got a
| > place with no nearby light pollution, millions more
stars
| > are visible. One clear night a few years ago, there was
| > snow cover but no clouds at all, I was out driving by
the
| > airport and wondered why they had the strobes running,
then
| > I realized it was a meteor storm, the flashes were so
bright
| > they were casting shadows on the snow and leaving smoke
| > trails in the sky.
|
| Let me guess, the Leonids? One night flight home, saw a
"fireball".
| Scared the bejeebers outta me it was so bright. And like
you saw, smoke
| trail followed it. At first, thought it was a plane
blowing up, but
| having seen meteors before, I knew better just from the
speed, length and
| angle of the flash. More lights upstairs then downstairs
on most of my
| night flights :-))
|
| > It was late at night, so I stayed out several hours
| > watching. I made just one mistake, I told my wife about
it.
| > She was tired and had to get up to go to her college
class.
| > I thought she would not want to be disturbed. I told
her
| > and she has never forgiven me.
|
| Yep, though different situation here, it was the Northern
lights. Woke
| my wife up at 2 a.m. and it was -15F, but she didn't
regret it! Would
| love to see that from 5000 feet!
|
| I was kinda hoping the sunspot causing the radiation
commotion would have
| kept up so it would kick up some northern lights, but that
simmered down.
| Wouuldn't have been good for the GPS network though I'd
suspect?
|
| Allen

For the 4th of July, they should make a fireworks display
using the proper metals to get red, white and blue
fireballs,




"Wade Hasbrouck" > wrote in
message
news:p6SdnZtZ5PFaAeHYnZ2dnUVZ_uKknZ2d@cablespeedwa .com...
|
| "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
| . 18...
| > "Jim Macklin" >
wrote in
| > :
| >
| >> I prefer the solid ground for night sky viewing.
| >
| > Fully understand this!
| >
| >> I've got a
| >> place with no nearby light pollution, millions more
stars
| >> are visible. One clear night a few years ago, there
was
| >> snow cover but no clouds at all, I was out driving by
the
| >> airport and wondered why they had the strobes running,
then
| >> I realized it was a meteor storm, the flashes were so
bright
| >> they were casting shadows on the snow and leaving smoke
| >> trails in the sky.
| >
| > Let me guess, the Leonids? One night flight home, saw a
"fireball".
| > Scared the bejeebers outta me it was so bright. And
like you saw, smoke
| > trail followed it. At first, thought it was a plane
blowing up, but
| > having seen meteors before, I knew better just from the
speed, length and
| > angle of the flash. More lights upstairs then
downstairs on most of my
| > night flights :-))
| >
| >> It was late at night, so I stayed out several hours
| >> watching. I made just one mistake, I told my wife
about it.
| >> She was tired and had to get up to go to her college
class.
| >> I thought she would not want to be disturbed. I told
her
| >> and she has never forgiven me.
| >
| > Yep, though different situation here, it was the
Northern lights. Woke
| > my wife up at 2 a.m. and it was -15F, but she didn't
regret it! Would
| > love to see that from 5000 feet!
| >
| > I was kinda hoping the sunspot causing the radiation
commotion would have
| > kept up so it would kick up some northern lights, but
that simmered down.
| > Wouuldn't have been good for the GPS network though I'd
suspect?
| >
| > Allen
|
| I have seen the Space Station go over from 5500' in a
Cessna 172. That
| was pretty neat, it looked different than on the ground,
as you had more
| hozion and it seemed you see it "arc" more as it went
across the sky. Saw
| it when me and my instructor did our night x-country from
Boeing Field to
| Port Angeles, Wa, and back. Saw it on the return leg.
:-) Unfortunately
| the 172 doesn't have a power setting that will keep up
with it. :-)
|

That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
the pilots.

I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is
being installed at Gallatin Field. It's being pushed by "big money", if
you want to call it that. Lots of private jets fly into and out of
Gallatin Field.

I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others
because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit
of a stretch. I could expound on this statement but I won't. I don't
see the reason why. There are some local controllers who are a pleasure
to work with and others who, well, aren't.

Pretty much like most towers, I guess.

If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to
hook up some time.

--Walt


Newps wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>

> Ameriflight, which has a base here, runs a lot of cargo and go into BZN
> every day. They say, bar none, the BZN controllers are the worst. The
> city fathers are installing a radar there, should be up and ready to go
> next spring/summer. We hope to be working it from here at BIL.
> Otherwise Salt Lake Center will get it and you guys won't notice one
> iotas difference.

I remember one time in front of the President of the United States; somebody
hollered "Thunderbirds...dead ant!!!"
You wouldn't believe the United States Air Force Thunderbirds... to a
man...down on their butts...arms and legs in the air.
God, I miss the good ole days!!! :-))))
Dudley Henriques


"Christopher Campbell" > wrote in message
e.com...
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0800, Dudley Henriques wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Hi Walt;
>>
>> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
>> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
>> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi
>> guys!!
>>> -))))
>> Dudley
>>
>> "Walt" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>>
>>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
>>>> . 18...
>>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>>>>>
>>>>> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>>>>>
>>>>> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
>>>>> experiences.
>>>>>
>>>>> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Allen
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>>>> pilot's
>>>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>>>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>>>>> -)))))))
>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>
>>> And, when I was flying KC135's, we rigidly adhered to the rule: "No
>>> smoking 8 hours before flying, and no drinking closer than 80 feet from
>>> the aircraft."
>>>
>>> That rule made us better at the job we did. I think.
>>>
>>> --Walt
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Man, I used to hear rules like that all the time -- and I'm a Mormon!
>
> At least no one has mentioned the deceased insect.
>
>

In article m>,
says...
>
>
>Y'know, that used to be true, but three weeks ago I bought a brand new
>12" dobsonian telescope and it's been cloudy around here ever since.
>Darn thing's been sitting here in my office while I wait for the
>weather to clear up.
>
>Tonight may be the night. :>)
>
Your office must be mighty fine if you have room for a 12" dobsonian to sit
around without getting in anyone's way!

Walt wrote:

> That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
> the pilots.
>
> I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is
> being installed at Gallatin Field.


They have everything to do with it. BZN does not qualify for radar but
the airport authority said we'll pay for it. So you're getting one.
Now who ever pays for it it doesn't matter. What you need to make sure
of as a user is that an approach control runs your airspace, not Salt
Lake Center. If Salt Lake runs the airspace, as they do now, nothing
will change. It's one in or one out. If we here in Billings run it we
will be able to use approach control rules, much more efficient use of
the airspace for you folks. Tell everybody you run into.





>
> I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others
> because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit
> of a stretch.

I didn't say that but a regular user did. I've flown in there several
times and the stuff they do makes me shake my head. They are not very
good at controlling a pattern. A King Air comes over the mountains from
Livingston and you are landing to the west and the controllers make
every one follow the King Air. Terribly inefficient.





>
> If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to
> hook up some time.


Stop by for a tour at the new tower and see what Conrad got us.
Otherwise head for the mountains and dirt strips and look for the V
Tail, that's me.

LOL! I remember many a time when someone in the bar would yell "DEAD
BUG".

I miss those days too. :>)

--Walt

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> I remember one time in front of the President of the United States; somebody
> hollered "Thunderbirds...dead ant!!!"
> You wouldn't believe the United States Air Force Thunderbirds... to a
> man...down on their butts...arms and legs in the air.
> God, I miss the good ole days!!! :-))))
> Dudley Henriques
>
>
> "Christopher Campbell" > wrote in message
> e.com...
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0800, Dudley Henriques wrote
> > (in article >):
> >
> >> Hi Walt;
> >>
> >> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
> >> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
> >> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi
> >> guys!!
> >>> -))))
> >> Dudley
> >>
> >> "Walt" > wrote in message
> >> ups.com...
> >>>
> >>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> >>>> "A Lieberma" > wrote in message
> >>>> . 18...
> >>>>> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> >>>>> :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice

I'm not going to get involved in politics here, especially since we
probably agree more than disagree. BZN is getting the radar, like it or
not. Ten years ago it was an uncontrolled airport. It sure shouldn't be
uncontrolled now. Ten years in the future it could very well be Class
C.

The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well.
You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out
of BZN, but there's no point.

Anyway, perhaps we'll hook up some time. We travel to many of the
fly-ins in Montana during the summer, and I'll look for a V-tail. Take
care, my friend.

--Walt


Newps wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
> > That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
> > the pilots.
> >
> > I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is
> > being installed at Gallatin Field.
>
>
> They have everything to do with it. BZN does not qualify for radar but
> the airport authority said we'll pay for it. So you're getting one.
> Now who ever pays for it it doesn't matter. What you need to make sure
> of as a user is that an approach control runs your airspace, not Salt
> Lake Center. If Salt Lake runs the airspace, as they do now, nothing
> will change. It's one in or one out. If we here in Billings run it we
> will be able to use approach control rules, much more efficient use of
> the airspace for you folks. Tell everybody you run into.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others
> > because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit
> > of a stretch.
>
> I didn't say that but a regular user did. I've flown in there several
> times and the stuff they do makes me shake my head. They are not very
> good at controlling a pattern. A King Air comes over the mountains from
> Livingston and you are landing to the west and the controllers make
> every one follow the King Air. Terribly inefficient.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to
> > hook up some time.
>
>
> Stop by for a tour at the new tower and see what Conrad got us.
> Otherwise head for the mountains and dirt strips and look for the V
> Tail, that's me.

("Newps" wrote)
> Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.


Minnesota Vikings .....30
DETROIT LIONS ........20


Montblack-and-blue-division

("Blanche" wrote)
> Me? I'm an out-of-work computer geek.


(Q) >>Blanche, I've been meaning to ask what publications you write for?

(A) Monster.com :-)


Mont-blackballed

Walt wrote:

>
> The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well.
> You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out
> of BZN, but there's no point.

Believe me it takes locals like you to call your represenatives.
Rehberg is your best bet. Your mayor too. Send an email to HLN FSDO.
We here at BIL have been doing this for years. That's how stuff gets
done, especially in a small state like ours. By the way what do you fly?

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:04:49 -0800, in
. com>, sam.trask wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good place to eat in Dothan, AL near the a/p? Any
> BBQ maybe?

Sorry, but it's not possible to have *real* BBQ in Alabama...

Newps wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
> >
> > The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well.
> > You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out
> > of BZN, but there's no point.
>
> Believe me it takes locals like you to call your represenatives.
> Rehberg is your best bet. Your mayor too. Send an email to HLN FSDO.
> We here at BIL have been doing this for years. That's how stuff gets
> done, especially in a small state like ours. By the way what do you fly?

Piper Warrior, mostly. I belong to a local flying club. Used to own a
glider but had to sell it to help pay for my daughter's stem cell
transplant.

Do you belong to the Montana Pilots Association? We go to a number of
fly-ins every summer, perhaps we could hook up at one.

--Walt

Walt wrote:

>
> Do you belong to the Montana Pilots Association? We go to a number of
> fly-ins every summer, perhaps we could hook up at one.
>

Yes, I am an MPA member. If you are one you should make plans for the
annual work party at Schafer. Third weekend in July, about the 20th
this year. I'll be at Three Forks as well. There's quite a few. I'll
start looking for Warriors.

"Walt" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Paul Riley wrote:
>> DAMN--that all sounds SO familiar!!! :-))))))))
>>
>> Walt, are you SURE you never flew helicopter gunships in Vietnam???
>> Sounds
>> like one of our old rules. :-)))))
>>
>> Paul
>
> Nope, fixed-wing, AC119K. But we tried desperately to be as crazy as
> you guys were.
>
> :>)

Ahh, yes! Competition brings out the best in people.

Montblack > wrote:
>("Blanche" wrote)
>> Me? I'm an out-of-work computer geek.
>
>
>(Q) >>Blanche, I've been meaning to ask what publications you write for?
>
>(A) Monster.com :-)

nah -- I prefer dice.com

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:12:41 -0800, Walt wrote
(in article . com>):

> LOL! I remember many a time when someone in the bar would yell "DEAD
> BUG".
>
> I miss those days too. :>)
>

I believe the dead bug drills usually came somewhere between rolling for
drinks and the carrier landings.

Mind, I remained a strict non-drinker the whole time, so I was sober enough
to remember the whole thing.

It was kind of unfair, really. If someone came into the club wearing a hat,
all I got was another Sprite. But if I forgot...

I'll drink to that!

A Lieberma wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote in
> :
>
> > If an aircraft is taxiing out from the ramp and controllers notice
>
> PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
>
> This question is easily researchable and doesn't require real pilots
> experiences.
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Allen

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
...

> It's indeed a fairly little known fact outside the military aviation
> community that we who flew the "smaller" though somewhat "faster" bits of
> Plexiglas and aluminum learned all our REAL bad habits from you multi
> guys!!

My grandfather recounted stories of his B-17 crew unlatching their oxygen
masks but holding them close to their faces try to smoke cigarettes/breathe
on their way to Schweinfurt...

-c

"Christopher Campbell" > wrote in message

> It was kind of unfair, really. If someone came into the club wearing a
> hat,
> all I got was another Sprite. But if I forgot...


At the NCO's club in Norfolk I bailed out my brother-in-law during his
bachelor party when he came in wearing his hat and they expected him to buy
a round for all.

"It ain't a hat, Chief. It's a cover." That's what my D.I. always said,
so it must be true.

-c

Newps wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you belong to the Montana Pilots Association? We go to a number of
> > fly-ins every summer, perhaps we could hook up at one.
> >
>
> Yes, I am an MPA member. If you are one you should make plans for the
> annual work party at Schafer. Third weekend in July, about the 20th
> this year. I'll be at Three Forks as well. There's quite a few. I'll
> start looking for Warriors.

I'm at the Three Forks MAA fly-in every year. Flew the Warrior there
this past summer (a 15 minute flight from BZN), and flew into Wilsall
for the annual breakfast as well. Fun time. Very fun. Since the
Warrior was born in 1974 it almost qualifies as an antique aircraft.
:>)

Haven't made it to Schafer yet but it's on my list. This past summer
was rather busy for us, but next summer I'll have more time.

I'm an MPA member too.

--Walt

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter pilot's
> golden rule on drinking and flying.
> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to the
> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
> :-)))))))
> Dudley Henriques

I always thought it was "You have to stop drinking when you SEE the
airplane."

Karl
"CUrator" N185KG

karl gruber wrote:
>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to the
>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>> :-)))))))
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> I always thought it was "You have to stop drinking when you SEE the
> airplane."



"An hour from bottle to throttle." Waiting any less could be disasterous.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote in message
...
> karl gruber wrote:
>>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>>> the
>>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>>> :-)))))))
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> I always thought it was "You have to stop drinking when you SEE the
>> airplane."
>
>
>
> "An hour from bottle to throttle." Waiting any less could be disasterous.
>
I also heard -- An hour from toke to yoke.

"karl gruber" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
>> pilot's
>> golden rule on drinking and flying.
>> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
>> the
>> runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
>> :-)))))))
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> I always thought it was "You have to stop drinking when you SEE the
> airplane."

Only if you see two airplanes :)

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message

> Absolutely researchable. All you have to do is remember the fighter
> pilot's golden rule on drinking and flying.
> "NEVER drink and fly!!! Pull off the taxiway as you're on the way out to
> the runway and drink, THEN go fly!!!"
> :-)))))))
> Dudley Henriques
>
>

On the drive into work this morning, I heard a song about drinking and
flying. After the drinking 'they were both on their way, each knowing they'd
meet on some other day'.

Steve Foley wrote:
> >
> > I always thought it was "You have to stop drinking when you SEE the
> > airplane."
>
> Only if you see two airplanes :)

If you see *three* airplanes, do you just play it safe and head for the
middle one??